May 12, 2005

Republicans win again

Rumor has it the petition candidates have won positions on the Board of Trustees.

UPDATE: Dartlog says it's confirmed.

UPDATE 2: God bless Dartmouth, whatever that means. Official College press release.

39 comments:

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  2. Anonymous5:06 PM

    I'm not sure why the two of you are so against the two petition candidates. As members of a frat that was repeatedly fucked by the administration, it seems it would be beneficial to you to get people on the trustees who might be able to lessen the pressure on the greek system... But, then again, you guys do hate conservatives - even though Zywicki really is more of a libertarian than a conservative, but whatever.

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  3. Honestly, I couldn't care less about the fate of the Greek system. It could go down the toilet tomorrow and I would be perfectly happy. Fraternities and sororities are stupid institutions, and as long as some other social outlet were available here, I think Dartmouth would be fine, if not better off, for having no more Greek houses. And yes I am in a fraternity.

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  4. Anonymous5:48 PM

    George, always good to see your constructive comments.

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  5. Anonymous6:06 PM

    Dartmouth is gonna go down the shitter real fast, especially if they get any more of these assholes on the Board.

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  7. I think that George's eloquently expressed concern goes far beyond issues related to Greek life. It's not entirely clear that ghe Greek System is the only thing that can be affected by the trustees and therein lies the problem...

    I'd be happy to let the new trustees run the Dartmouth Greek System, but that's about it to be honest.

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  8. "George, always good to see your constructive comments."

    Thanks anonymous, but I think I made a pretty simple and straightforward point. I know how you cons hate it when liberals flip-flop or make unneccessarily complex statements. You know where I stand, just like with the other George W.

    Okay, I'll spell it out for you. The job of the trustees is not to dictate policy, but to defer to administrators whose job is run a college. These con fellows (and yes, that's what a libertarian is, a conservative) are going to bring ideology where it doesn't belong. I know you cons really don't like the fact that we have an African American Studies department, but, guess what, it's as legitimate a field as the classics, and these con trustees want to turn back the clock in Hanover. Said clock will not be turned back in New Haven, Cambridge, or at any other peer institution. I know your respons will be that Dartmouth shouldn't try to be "Harvard light." What should we be then, the Regent U. of the Northeast? The white supremacist Middlebury? Please, anonymous, inform me as to your vision of Dartmouth's future?

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  9. Please ignore that '?.' Clearly the presence of a Women's and Gender Studies department at dear old Dartmouth has gutted my ability to correctly punctuate sentences.

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  10. Anonymous9:15 PM

    These con fellows (and yes, that's what a libertarian is, a conservative) are going to bring ideology where it doesn't belong.

    Moron, this is what the administration has been doing for donkey's years, and it's what they specifically campaigned against.

    I repeat: moron.

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  11. Anonymous9:32 PM

    Yeah, it's kind of stunning to hear complaints about "ideology" when that's exactly what Wright et al. have been imposing for quite a while. Just a question of whose ox is gored.

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  12. Anonymous9:52 PM

    GW - you're wrong about the libertarian = con comment. Totally wrong. Would you call the lawyer who defended medical marijauna and didn't vote for Bush a conservative? No - he was a libertarian...

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  13. Anonymous10:27 PM

    Anonymous- I suppose Zywicki can appeal to the panarchy contingent too, then huh?

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  14. "GW - you're wrong about the libertarian = con comment. Totally wrong. Would you call the lawyer who defended medical marijauna and didn't vote for Bush a conservative? No - he was a libertarian..."

    I was speaking a bit hyperbolically, this person is not a 'con,' but I would say that in general most libertarians that I've run into tend to vote Republican b/c it's the party of "small government." This is based on purely anecdotal evidence. Still it seem like the most vocal libertarians are more pissed off about gun control than the Patriot Act. In practice, I think yes, libertarian does generally = con. Definitionally libertarians are economic conservatives (and social liberals), making them somehow 'cons,' just not really in the way that I was using the term.

    More importantly, Zywicki is a 'con' on the issues that he will control as a trustee (anti-AA, etc.), making him, for the purposes of this debate, a 'con.'

    "I repeat: moron."

    I never said the administration was free of ideology. They make decisions about cirriculum, admissions, etc. They will end up being ideological either way. The Board of Trustees traditionally defers to their judgement about how to manage the specifics of the institution. The trustees' job is to ensure the solvency and longevity of the institution, and not the form it takes.

    I assure you, anonymous, that I am not a moron. But also don't take kindly to comments such as this. Go fuck yourself.

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  15. Random 044:34 AM

    (this post is addressed to multiple commenters)

    Dartmouth will be the laughing stock of academia. Fuck you, cons, fuck you.

    As a independant moderate, it never ceases to amaze me how short-sighted liberals are these days. How does this election have anything to do with republicans v. democrats? Small class sizes? Damn those republicans! Free speech? Another Bush conspiracy! Frats? If only Dean had gotten elected... I really don't see the connection between the trustees' political views and their roles as trustess. You mention AA, but do you honestly think that even the petition candidates would propose doing away with it? No one campaigned on that, and it's far too popular throughout the system to do away with.

    Fraternities and sororities are stupid institutions, and as long as some other social outlet were available here, I think Dartmouth would be fine, if not better off, for having no more Greek houses. And yes I am in a fraternity.

    I wasn't in a fratetnity at Dartmouth, but this post just makes me laugh. First, I'm sure your brothers appreciate your blatant hypocrisy. Second, what other social options? Third, the overwhelming majority of both alums AND current students disagree with you. If that isn't reason enough to keep frats around, I don't know what is.

    The job of the trustees is not to dictate policy, but to defer to administrators whose job is run a college.

    You don't really think that. Then why do we have elections for Trustees? Heck, why even have Trustees at all instead of some sort of long-term administration that runs itself.

    I know you cons really don't like the fact that we have an African American Studies department, but, guess what, it's as legitimate a field as the classics, and these con trustees want to turn back the clock in Hanover.

    There is no way that AAS is "as legitimate" as classics. Simply imossible. I don't think that AAS should go away, but classics I have to laugh when I see this.

    Still it seem like the most vocal libertarians are more pissed off about gun control than the Patriot Act.

    I believe you don't know too many libertarians than. I know dozens and this doesn't hold true for a single one.

    The trustees' job is to ensure the solvency and longevity of the institution, and not the form it takes.

    Again, I just don't think you believe this. At the very least you beliee tht trustees should determine the qualifications of the top administrators, but they've also made some decisions about "the form of the college" that I'm sure you're not complaining about. Going co-ed? Student Life Initiative to get rid of those "stupid frats." I'm sure they had a hand in the beginning of affirmative action as well.

    In sum, your ad hominen attacks reveal why I cannot become a democrat. I'll probably agree with you on most issues (except for the trustee election, but every young liberal alum I know disagrees with you as well), but I cannot stand to be associated with a group of people who make untenable, hypocritical, ad hominen attacks and believe that they are making some sort of intelligent argument. Dude, just think about what you are saying.

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  16. Hey Random04, you are very bad at writing. I can't believe that Dartmouth has conferred you a degree. This is a travesty! Some examples:

    "As a independant moderate, it never ceases to amaze me how short-sighted liberals are these days."

    I think you meant: "As an independent moderate, it never ceases to amaze me how much smarter liberals are than me."

    Seriously, I've always felt that people like you (those without ideology or belief) were fucking dumb as shit. You have only confirmed this through your inability to spell and form complete sentences. Second example: "Second, what other social options?"

    And here's my favorite: "In sum, your ad hominen attacks reveal why I cannot become a democrat... I cannot stand to be associated with a group of people who make untenable, hypocritical, ad hominen attacks and believe that they are making some sort of intelligent argument. Dude, just think about what you are saying."

    Hey dude, think about what the fuck you are saying you dumb fucking fuck. I see that you learned the term "ad hominem" (the word does not end with an 'n' dumbfuck) today. How about you don't wear out your special new term the same day that you learn it. English is hard sometimes; I understand. My arguments may be hypocritical ad hominem attacks, but they are pretty fucking tenable. I'm glad that you are not a Democrat. The left may be elitist, but at least we know the difference between 'then' and 'than.'

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  17. '04 person, maybe you'd care to define what exactly "the classics" are and why they're so pre-eminently deserving of our study? And yes "the classics" will always seem more important than some African American Studies department, say: that's the brilliant function of the phrase "the classics."

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  18. Moreover, I stand by my comments on the Greek system. A lot of guys and girls whom I know in in Greek houses accutely feel the inherent stupidity of those instutions, and don't feel any hypocrisy at all for still being a member in one. That's kinda like saying you can't criticize your country if you're a member of it. Fortunately, Greek houses at Dartmouth are not like America yet, so it's still acceptable to criticize them.

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  19. random 049:32 AM

    Mr. Wukoson: Thank you for being my spell checker, but you simply proved my point. I didn't realize that the validity of one's arguments completely turned on how well they could spell at 4 AM while running off no sleep for days!!! So congrats on probably graduating summa cum laude in spelling. I guess my econ and law degrees mean nothing.

    Mr. Bateman: You actually appear to have at least an ounce of class and intelligence, so I'll address your points. You have a decent argument about the difference between the classics and AAS. I'll have to think about that one some more. But your analogy between frats and criticizing your own country is beyond weak. Your choice to join a frat was an educated one you made as an adult. Most people don't really ever have the choice of choosing their country. (Sure you could move, but it is infinitely easier to leave a frat than it is to change countries. And you can’t really just sop belonging to any country, you can only switch – at least that is my understanding of citizenship.) People who criticize their country also aren’t apathetic about the possible destruction of their - they wish to reform it to make it better. Choosing to criticize your country is far different from saying “Honestly, I couldn't care less about the fate of the Greek system. It could go down the toilet tomorrow and I would be perfectly happy.”

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  20. random 049:39 AM

    By the way, do you have any response to the more substantive parts of my comment – like why the heck are you guys so hard on these petition candidates?

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  21. "I guess my econ and law degrees mean nothing."

    Hey Anonymous04, I have to say that I am impressed. Assuming that you graduated from Dartmouth in 2004, you have taken quite a quick route through law school (University of Phoenix Online?). I'd love to add in some more ad hominem attacks here, but I'm really going to have to ask you to post with your real name. It's really not that fun otherwise.

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  22. Anonymous2:54 PM

    George Wukoson writes: “The Board of Trustees traditionally defers to their [the administration’s] judgement about how to manage the specifics of the institution. The trustees' job is to ensure the solvency and longevity of the institution, and not the form it takes.”

    Wow. Mr. Wukoson’s notion of trusteeship is novel. I’m not sure how the Dartmouth College charter reads, but isn’t it the trustees who hire the administration? By default, do not the trustees seek the type of administrative leadership they deem in the best interests of the “solvency and longevity of the institution?” Without a Board of Trustees at the helm, why not just have the Taliban take over? Why bother with oversight? President for Life!

    Well, now Dartmouth College has new trustees, elected by vote of the alumni. The Board will, over time, influence the specifics of the College, perhaps not down to the level of course content, but certainly over major academic and campus life issues.

    Mr. Wukoson’s ire is identical to – indeed, a perfect DNA match! –the Democrat’s vitriol over Bush’s judicial appointments. The voters (a majority of conservative alumni) have spoken. And now, it appears, Mr. Wukoson’s in the minority.

    They can’t stand having lost their imperial perch so they are reduced to “f-ing this”, “f-ing that” and pedagogical spelling lectures my 80-year-old aunt would be proud of.

    George, were you a member of the Iraqi Baathist party? You act like one. If you don’t like the direction of the college, become a trustee yourself.

    And a bit of real world reality, George, assuming you’re still an undergrad. Get in front of 99.9% of the private sector for a job interview–pick any industry or pursuit–with a degree in African American or Feminist Studies and get ready to be laughed out of the office.

    In a nanosecond, employers everywhere would first hire the former USMC Lt. with a swing through Fallujah under his belt, probably a history major from Texas A&M, than a foul mouthed Dartmouth or Yale or Harvard graduate with a degree in anything but especially one in AAS or Womyn’s Studies or any other feel-good but meaningless course of study.

    You shouldn’t worry too much that the new trustees might make Dartmouth “the laughing stock of academia.” Except in the eyes of that tiny and dwindling minority which is the liberal “elite,” self-proclaimed, Dartmouth or Yale or Harvard already are a laughingstock. At least Dartmouth now has a chance to redeem itself.

    Best regards from Boston

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  23. The Board of Trustees traditionally defers to their judgement about how to manage the specifics of the institution. The trustees' job is to ensure the solvency and longevity of the institution, and not the form it takes.

    Correct. All of which has been undermined by the current administration. When the administration starts misbehaving, just who's job do you think it is to step in and restore order? When the president of Dartmouth veers off in a way that undermines the very mission and identity of the College, who exactly should be putting a stop to it -- other than the trustees?

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  24. Anonymous6:41 PM

    I assure you, anonymous, that I am not a moron. But also don't take kindly to comments such as this. Go fuck yourself.

    I guess I must have hurt your feelings.... Those liberal egos, so easily bruised!

    Even if you are not a moron, though, given your string of profanities, insults, idiocies and moonbat theories, you are at least unpleasant.

    Well, I have enjoyed this, my second visit to your blog -- poisonous little bag of vitriol that it is. It's been, ahem, "real." I can say that, when knee-jerk troglodytes like yourself get spastic over the trustee election -- I know for sure that the alums did the right thing.

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  25. Anonymous7:35 PM

    George Wukoson's grammar and manners are equally poor. While cursing others for their spelling mistakes, he writes "smarter than me". Childish George should have written "smarter than I" or "...I am".

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  26. George Dubya:
    Libertarians tend to vote Republican when there are no Libertarian candidates only because they can't stand the fasco-socialist policies of the DNC. The only rights that Democrats support are some civil rights (sometimes) because civil rights are gifts from government, while natural rights are the inherent property of individuals.

    There are quite a number of greenish libertarians who would prefer to be Greens but have been pushed out of that movement by the watermelon crowd (Green on the outside, Red on the inside). I know quite a number of these who tend to follow Georgist principles and I kid about being 'land fascists'.

    That being said, there is the Democratic Freedom Caucus, which is a Democrat-Libertarian group. Libertarians are always looking for Democrats they can stand supporting, if only to keep the Republicans from taking them for granted.

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  27. Anonymous8:39 PM

    george wukoson, if you are going to attempt to make your debate points against anyone on the basis of grammar, first learn how to use a fine verb like "conferred" correctly. prepositions, fella. otherwise, you're better off stick to the arguments... or profanity, if that seems to be working for you. several of the smartest people i knew at dartmouth unfortunately had some atrocious writing skills, so as nice as proper usage of the english language is... avoiding sounding like a raving lunatic is the far more effective tool in discussions like this one. on a related note, george, your rage is positively hilarious to all the folks you would disagree with. thanks for the smiles, pal. and let's hope this recent election can precipitate a housecleaning of parkhurst.

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  28. Anonymous11:25 PM

    The classics cover ideas that first gave birth to Western Civilization, and that have provided it with sustenance and support ever since. They enshrine ideas, for instance, have reappeared in every period from the Renaissance to the Humanist era, giving perspective unto ourselves. In part, the classics explain why the West currently dominates, and how it has developed the advanced civilizations that self-hatred liberals so abhor. Pick up Victor Davis Hanson's Carnage and Culture, and you will see for yourself. Do you honestly mean to say that a field as enduring, as fundamental as the classics is no more important than African-American Studies, a department covering a much less affecting topic, and populated with fads and constant victimization bullshit.

    Now on to the trustee election....I think it's incredible that Dartmouth is finally beginning to come back into the light. Universities nowadays have become throwbacks to ideas long since discarded-communism, socialism-the dustbin of history, which constantly enshrine diversity, but exhibit none when it comes to their politics.. 90% of Dartmouth professors are liberal, and believe me, they don't much love the 10% who do not share their views. They also bite the hand that feeds them, hate this country, the capitalism that clothes them, and the decadence that they themselves embrace. They are ideologues, hypocrites, idealists with no sense of what reality is and how it works. As William F. Buckley once wrote, "I'd rather be governed by the first 200 names in the Boston phone book, than by the Harvard faculty." This trustee election is a step away from that. It demonstrates how much alumni are fed up with the normal pace of things, and desire change. And change there will be, first at Dartmouth, and then at other places, because colleges live off their alumni, and tempers are currently flaming among this group. They are sick of the socialist paradise these goons have created for themselves, where Dartmouth has become a place not for exploring the frontiers of human knowledge, but this pulpit for social engineering, affirmative action, and extremist leftist views. It really is interesting how someone claimed Robinson would be an intolerant idealogue, when that's exactly what the university as a whole has become. But Dartmouth will change, whether you like it or not, and pretty soon the change will spread elsewehre.

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  29. What the hell is a knee-jerk troglodyte? Is that the best you cons can come up with? And what's up with all the Communist accusations? I guess McCarthyism really is back. And did some retard really accuse George of being a Baathist? That takes the cake as the most pathetic attempt to undermine an argument. In regards to the Board of Trustees election, I couldn't really care less about it. I just wanted to address some of the uproariously stupid accusations you knee-jerk troglodytes have been shooting out.

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  30. George, were you a member of the Iraqi Baathist party?

    Yes, you caught me. While I wait for my flight to Guantanamo Bay, I'll address a few of your other points, anonymous.

    By default, do not the trustees seek the type of administrative leadership they deem in the best interests of the “solvency and longevity of the institution?” Without a Board of Trustees at the helm, why not just have the Taliban take over? Why bother with oversight? President for Life!

    Wow, second reference to dictators in the Middle East in this discussion of the trustees. You have to be fucking kidding me! Are you a liberal lampooning cons? Oh wait, I forgot, now that the cons control heaven and earth they think they can say anything (Congressmen threatening federal judges, etc.) in any forum without worrying about logic, reality, or any other such things. Unfortunately, Anonymous, even most other con observers probably lost you at Baathist. As to your content, I simply don't agree that the current administration is going in the wrong direction. From this link, I learn that the cons are not only angry about too many non-white faces on campus but also about too few white faces resembling those in old Dartmouth year book (I know that cons are slow so I'll be blunt, they want more legacies). But you are right that the trustee's do hire the administration. They should not, however, dictate the policies of the administration that they hire. Also, three cons cannot a new regime forge. Your dreams of hiring as President David Horowitz or Ahmad Chalabi will have to wait.

    Mr. Wukoson’s ire is identical to – indeed, a perfect DNA match! –the Democrat’s vitriol over Bush’s judicial appointments. The voters (a majority of conservative alumni) have spoken. And now, it appears, Mr. Wukoson’s in the minority.

    Thank you, anonymous, I'm glad that we've finally been able to connect the trustee discussion to the Republican Party. I hear Bill Frist is planning to address a gathering of Evangelicals on why Jim Wright should resign. [Bonus points for "perfect DNA match," Wow! Perfect! That doesn't come along so often.]

    In a nanosecond, employers everywhere would first hire the former USMC Lt. with a swing through Fallujah under his belt, probably a history major from Texas A&M, than a foul mouthed Dartmouth or Yale or Harvard graduate with a degree in anything but especially one in AAS or Womyn’s Studies or any other feel-good but meaningless course of study.
    This comment is meaningless. "Employers" covers a pretty broad swath. Still, I can't but doubt that a very high percentage of them are in industries where a "swing through Fallujah" provides any valuable work experience. Employers want smart employees. A B.A. in 'Anything' from Yale or Harvard is infinitely more marketable than a degree from Texas A&M.

    For now, thanks to our excellent "liberal" faculty, Dartmouth too grants marketable degrees. If more cons get on the Board of Trustees, maybe they can change this for the worse by devastating scholarship here and sending Dartmouth plummeting in the rankings.

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  31. I can say that, when knee-jerk troglodytes like yourself get spastic over the trustee election -- I know for sure that the alums did the right thing.

    About twenty percent of them.

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  32. Anonymous12:35 PM

    Wow. Getting reamed on your own blog, G.W.

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  33. George Wukoson's grammar and manners are equally poor. While cursing others for their spelling mistakes, he writes "smarter than me". Childish George should have written "smarter than I" or "...I am".

    See way above. I preempted this argument when I admitted to being a hypocrite. My behavior may come off as poor, but I'm having alot of fun dissing on cons.

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  34. Libertarians tend to vote Republican when there are no Libertarian candidates only because they can't stand the fasco-socialist policies of the DNC.

    Whoa, what makes the Dems fasco-socialist. Environmental protections? Preferring not to drive up deficits by cutting taxes?

    Of the two parties, the Dems are the least fascist. George W. Bush made people sign fucking loyalty oaths to go to his campaign rallies. Also, two words: Patriot Act.

    "That being said, there is the Democratic Freedom Caucus, which is a Democrat-Libertarian group. Libertarians are always looking for Democrats they can stand supporting, if only to keep the Republicans from taking them for granted."

    Libertarians are not important to Karl Rove. The base wants to ban the teaching of evolution and legislatively harass homosexuals.

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  35. george, your rage is positively hilarious to all the folks you would disagree with. thanks for the smiles, pal.

    For what it's worth, I'm using profanity because I find it funny to just fucking go off on you fuckheads. I guess that my friends and I are laughing with me and you're laughing at me, but at least we're all laughing. In short, you're welcome for the smiles, pal. For more smiles, please see the post that asks me if I am a member of the Baathist party.

    and let's hope this recent election can precipitate a housecleaning of parkhurst.

    Stalinesque purge... [See, two can play at the hyperbolic associations game.]

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  36. In part, the classics explain why the West currently dominates, and how it has developed the advanced civilizations that self-hatred liberals so abhor.

    Brilliant! I say, this chap thoroughly understands the white man's burden.

    Now on to the trustee election....I think it's incredible that Dartmouth is finally beginning to come back into the light.

    Praise the Lord! Seriously, WTF!?

    As William F. Buckley once wrote, "I'd rather be governed by the first 200 names in the Boston phone book, than by the Harvard faculty."

    What does that have to do with anything? Only 60 of those names would be those of college graduates. I think that even Buckley would rather be taught by the Harvard faculty.

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  37. Wow. Getting reamed on your own blog, G.W.

    Well either I am outnumbered or one anonymous poster is incredibly prolific. Assuming the former case, you cowards should stop hiding behind anonymity, I my use excessive profanity here, but I think that I am still more credible than an anonymous coward. [Studies show that cons really hate being called cowards.]

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  38. Michael J. Fox2:59 PM

    Coward I can handle. But call me a chicken and I'll do anything.
    (Cue "Back to the Future" Theme.)

    /I got nothing
    //Wukoson is still getting reamed on his own blog.

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  39. Anonymous11:39 PM

    Fuck you, cons, fuck you.

    Oooh, the schadenfreude is giving me a warm tingly feeling all over.

    I love the smell of marginalized leftist anguish in the moring.

    Hey George-- This is only the beginning. The Left is a rotting corpse. Collectivism is dead, except on college campuses. We right-wing hyenas have chased the hard leftists out of much of public life. Now it's the academy's turn. Prepare for many more kicks in the arse from the ascendant Right..

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